Saving More In A High Cost of Living Area
I live 42 miles from downtown San Francisco where I’ve worked for the vast majority of my career. My commute on average is 3 hours a day. 1 hour in the morning and 2 in the afternoon. This equates to 32.5 days of commuting a year. I believe I’m being as efficient as possible with my money by choosing to live in a “cheaper” suburb, but is commuting to work really the most optimal way to live in a high cost area?
Let’s crunch some numbers and look at how much living in a suburb saves me. How much a commute of 42 miles really costs. And how to make the most of the inherently high salaries of a place like San Francisco–making 6 figures here is considered low income according to the federal government.
Super Commuter
The media has dubbed a 90 minute or more traveler for work as a Super Commuter. The Bay Area has the honor of leading the nation with Super Commuters with an estimated 120k people doing this daily.
The virus’ impact on commuting
Covid-19 has emphasized the ability of some workers to work remotely and to skip out on the commute altogether. To those that can telecommute, I tip the hat to you. Right on. But there is a whole other half of the economy, mostly middle to lower class and essential workers, that physically have to be at work–or else the job couldn’t get done. Blue-collar workers can’t work from a computer.
Maybe after this pandemic thing is all over, the freeways will free up a bit as more people work from home. This would benefit white-collar and blue-collar workers altogether–not to mention the environment. I don’t particularly believe things will stay this way though. Companies will be calling back all their telecommuters in the future…watch. After 9/11 they said nobody would ever fly again too.
The Nor-Cal economy has forced the majority of us to choose between two options:
- commute and save money
- live near work but have no savings whatsoever
People in the Bay Area have become accustomed to making big city kind of money but either cannot afford or choose not to pay more to live closer to work.
Option #1. Live in the City?
- Rent and house prices in San Francisco are the highest in the United States. $1.35 million for a two-bedroom is the going rate for a home in SF. A conventional loan at 3% interest and 20% down, would have a monthly mortgage of $4,884. As of this post, my 4-bed house in the ‘burbs is worth $530k with $2,385 in monthly mortgage/escrow. Savings of $2,499 a month!
Renting does no good either. Even with a 23.37% decrease this year due to covid, the average rent is still $3,885 a month for a 2bdr apartment!
*Also, San Francisco—as a native son from the Mission District, I’ll always love you—so forgive me, but the city is a real shit hole. There are so many crack heads and weirdos crawling the streets that I would never want to raise my kids there. I’m talking about people running around naked, shooting up or jacking off on the sidewalk, or defecating in plain view kind of shit hole. If you don’t have kids, the city is much more palatable with fantastic restaurants and things to do.
Option #2. Live in a Suburb and Commute?
- Take public transportation. This I can do (depending on work location) and have done. Because I live away from the hub, I have to drive 20 minutes, cross a bridge, and catch the 4:30 am BART train to make it to work by 6 am. There is a heavy trade-off with waking at 3 am vs my current 4:15 am out of bedtime. There’s also this temporary Covid thing…
- Drive and deal with it (and FIRE). This is the option I choose. And sadly, it’s the option of hundreds of thousands of workers who will not FIRE and work till age 65. They’ll just give up years of their lives driving to work because it’s the normal thing to do. I
amwas one of them.
The cost of the commute
I’ll use my location for the example.
Distance to SF 42 miles- This is 84 miles a day/1680 miles a month/20,160 miles a year. So let’s compare mortgages as a sort of baseline of savings off the bat before we talk cost.
*Using a hypothetical mortgage on a 1.3 million dollar SF home of $4,884 vs my current mortgage of $2,385. I assumed 20% down, 3% interest, and $5K property tax on the SF house.
Housing Savings of $2,499 a month/ $29,988 a year. This is what I save by living 42 miles from SF city limits. Now the commute cost:
Driving Cost: $564 a month or $6,771 a year
Time: 3 hrs round trip daily | 780 hours a year | that’s 325 days if you did this for 10 years.
Gas: $304 monthly | $3651 annually. Avg gallon in Bay Area is $3.61 and 18 mpg due to stop and go traffic.
Bridge Tolls: $260 monthly |$3120 annually. Typical bridge-$6 and Bay Bridge-$7. I cross 2 bridges. Luckily, I don’t cross the Golden Gate with a toll of $7.70-$8.70 per crossing!
*Car Maintenance: $200 annually? This varies dramatically. Changing the oil can range from every 20k miles to 4k miles. What about tires? Brakes? Wipers? For these reasons, I excluded the car maintenance cost.
BART Cost: $545 month or $6,540 a year
Time: 3 hrs round trip. Broken down like this: 50 min BART ride, 25 min drive to/from the station, 15 min walk to work from station.
Gas: $115 monthly | $1382 annually. Yep, still gotta drive to the station. 40 miles round trip. But traffic further from SF is better, so we can assume 25 mpg.
Bridge Tolls: $6 daily | $120 monthly | $1440 annually
BART Fare: $13 round trip | $260 month | $3120 annually
BART Parking: $2.5 daily | $50 monthly
| $600 annually
BART VS Driving Winner? BART
If I had to choose one it would be taking BART. It’s cheaper and better for the environment. Even though the commute times are similar, I come home much more refreshed after BART. And I can read a book (a difficult task at home with younglings). Sadly, BART doesn’t always work for a guy in construction as job locations aren’t permanent.
Can you imagine paying all this and having a $500 monthly truck payment? Sheesh!
The Mental Cost
It’s well-chronicled that commuting is stressful and not healthy. People weren’t meant to sit in cars or get stuffed in trains for hours at a time. There’s the unpredictably of it. The inability to control the situation. Rude strangers. The lost time, as I alluded to before, and the loneliness of sitting in your car or silently standing on a train. This impacts both our psychological and physical health.
A fairly old study from 2004 compared commuting stress to that of fighter pilots, and guess what; they have the same levels of stress. According to the U.S. census bureau, 150 million Americans commute by car while 7.6 million by public transportation. I’m curious to see how this number declines post-pandemic.
I’ve been able to make the commute more tolerable by listening to podcasts. I feel as though I’ve taken educational courses on a myriad of topics ranging from investing to history to secular Buddhism. These podcasts have made me a better person.
Are the savings from a commute worth it?
I won’t disagree with anyone who decides to pay more to live in the city to get their “time” back, especially so if they have a family. The problem with this is that you’d likely have to work longer, due to the inability to properly save.
Looking at the numbers, savings for someone like me is around $23,000 a year. If I deduct the commuting cost from the mortgage savings (Housing Savings $29,988 – Commute Cost $6,771).
That’s a nice chunk of change. Throw $23k annually into the market at 7% returns for ten years and…$362,912 is possible.
So yes, I’d say the savings are definitely worth it, though there is a heavy price to pay with hours of life lost on the road.
Everything costs more…so it’s even more important to save on housing
We’ve already covered housing and driving costs, but just about everything else costs more living in an expensive metropolitan area. Prices are from Ballotpedia and food from Walmart in 2018/2019, but this gives an idea of the cost of living in California. I’ll use New Mexico as the low-cost base, simply because it’s a beautiful state with a small population.
- Dozen eggs: $2 CA | $0.98 New Mexico
- Gallon of milk: $2.69 CA | $2.09 New Mexico
- Gallon of gasoline: $3.63 CA | $2.77 New Mexico
- Car registration: $86 CA | $27 New Mexico
- State Park entrance fee: $10 CA | $5 New Mexico
Hack the High Cost of Living Area
The key is to take advantage of the high income that is possible in places like the Bay Area or New York. If I can leverage a San Francisco salary vs lower annual expenditures ie. housing, it can be like throwing gasoline on my FIRE plans.
Someone might argue: Sure, incomes are higher in the Bay Area, but so is the cost of living. What you are saving is relative to where you live. So what if the income/savings number is greater, your gonna spend more on everything else. The ratio is the same no matter where you live, so it’s equal to someone living in New Mexico, except you deal with commuting and weirdos.
I would opine: Touche. Yes, I deal with commuting and it’s rough, but it’s part of my hacking scheme. And yes, the income/savings ratio is relative to location. But the dollar value saved in the Bay Area is greater. Thus allowing me to save more and geo arbitrage to pretty much 90% of the world. Even 100 miles from SF the cost of living drops dramatically.
The super commute isn’t for everyone
Living in a high or low-cost area each comes with pros and cons, you just have to maximize the pros and squeeze the cons for juice. I’m squeezing the commute for juice. A high-cost or low-cost location is not better than the other. Commuting has robbed me of productive time and time with my family. If I had a slower life in a cheaper part of the country…well that’s what I’m after. A slower life.
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.
Winston Churchill
Do you commute to work, if so how do you cope? Has the pandemic allowed you to telecommute? Would you pay more money for housing to spend less time commuting?
22 thoughts on “Saving More In A High Cost of Living Area”
Spot on about San Francisco. Very love/hate relationship with the natural beauty versus some unnatural blemishes. The Bay Area in general is a great place to FIRE due to the higher salaries, though I’m still very much on the lower earning side of the equation (it’s all relative, I suppose). But better to have a higher salary and figure the rest out than to have less to work with. Hopefully traffic has been better over the last few months!
I think it’s a great place to FIRE too. If we can make our FI number work here, then we can pretty much live anywhere in the world in retirement. Yea traffic is much better than the pre-pandemic days. Here’s to hoping it stays that way!
San Francisco is also a beautiful place! I don’t live in a very expensive place relative to the Bay Area but for where I am, I am happy to pay a little more to live a little closer to downtown. Espeically, since I have two little ones. However, my little bit more is not like yours. Also, I have been very lucky in that since the pandemic started I have been able to telecommute.
I also got lucky when I graduated from University as I moved to a city that has on average higher salaries and lower housing prices then where I went to University. Also, where I went to University wasn’t my home town so it was easy when I moved from Vancouver to Edmonton. Of course, this is not common and you bring up the higher salaries in San Francisco which absolutley makes sense but you never know unless you try to search it out. Unfortunatley, you will probably not be anywhere as nice as San Francisco!
Thanks for sharing!
Hey Fred thanks for dropping by. San Francisco is a beautiful place! I guess being here everyday grinding it out, I do forget to just stop and look around. I’ve never been to Edmonton but I know Vancouver is a great city.
I don’t disagree with you one bit about paying more to get home quicker. If it wasn’t so expensive and I had a steady place of employment I’d consider it
Noel, this post was awesome! I just took a weekend trip out to SF and enjoyed the city very much. However, I see living there has a lot of pros and cons. I highly recommend you listen to the podcasts about San Fran:
ASYLUM #1 — Boomtown, USA by Anatomy of Next
ASYLUM #2 — Legalize Housing by Anatomy of Next
It discusses how to solve many of the issues of the city. SF essentially has bifurcation of tech billionaires and homeless people. The median rent is $3,700 per month for a one-bedroom! Insane cost of living!
I’ll definitely check those podcasts out. I’m always on the look out for a good listen on my drive. Yea, SF is a great city, just with some really glaring problems. It’s so crazy how the rich and poor live side by side out with really no middle ground. Kinda reminiscent for me of the big Latin American cities like Mexico City or Lima.
I’m wondering how the post pandemic world might change SF…maybe balance out the prices a bit with the rest of the country? This would put a damper on my construction world though. Thanks for commenting!
i’m with you on s.f. turning into a shithole. we like sonoma county and used to visit s.f. on our way in but gave that up for the cost versus fun. now we fly to oakland and just head north in a rental.
i had a long commute only once and it didn’t last with a 75 mile one way drive in a truck with no a/c near new orleans. the best comparison to how you measure the merits of a commute is when i did shift work in manufacturing for about 10-12 years. i could have moved but we would have needed to then find 2 jobs and i just sucked it up and worked the odd hours. it was all a trade off and worth it in the end. i saved all that overtime money i made and invested it and it served us well. keep the faith, bro.
Hey Freddy just seen this comment it was stuck in my spam. Sonoma county is fun. It’s better than Napa, less touristy and more focused on the wine. It’s too bad what happened to SF, its now become a mecca for bums across the country. Wow 75 miles one way is no joke. I complain about my 42 mile jaunt. Thanks for the comment.
Great article, man. Wow! Those numbers are just insane. I thought I had it bad in LA. Damn. I love me some SF, but it’s likely because I fly in, have a nice time and fly out.
I can see how the recent trip to WY and MT broadened your perspective.
Hey Mr. Fate thanks for coming by. Yes the numbers are bad. The salt in the wound is the toll fees. SF is a cool place to have fun and visit minus the housing prices. Being in construction I spend a lot of time in downtown on the street dealing with those who live on the sidewalks and alleys, it gets tiring after a while.
Yea driving around in those beautiful rural states definitely opened my eyes. A cheaper cost of living combined with less traffic is a winning combo in my books. Thanks for commenting!
Oh boy, I can relate to this one. And I do not envy that cost of living in SF – you’re in the only place that puts LA to shame. Like you, the super commute has been the most economically viable solution for me.
However, the pandemic has changed things for me quite a bit. I used to do a 75 mi round trip commute for 2.5-3 hours trip time, but I am one of the lucky ones that can currently work from home – but I know this won’t last. The cost and time savings have really changed my view on this. My plan was always to move closer to work, and it’s complicated (having a the wife leave a toxic job and start fostering), but that’s what I’m doing right now.
It’s a tough trade off as you mention – savings vs time and everyone’s situation is different. But it seems like you’re doing what’s best for you. Keep it up and I look forward to following how you progress. Hitting FIRE in Cali is a unique endeavor – good to find another sunshine state aspire-ee.
Plus, love the blog name and the sugar skulls.
Hahaha… I meant ‘Golden State.’ Not sure why my fingers just plugged Florida.
Ha yea I knew what you meant. Wow so you know the struggle. I guess for most people who live in CA there’s a good chance that you commute. It’s a way of life here.
Yes there’s always a trade off. Mines not just purely numbers motivated…my MIL lives in town and she watches the kiddos, so that’s a big factor. Glad to hear you’re doing what’s right for you. There’s always gonna be days we question our decisions. Yes FIRE in Cali is unique, such high pay yet high costs that needs to be balanced.
Thanks again for dropping by. I’ll be following along on your journey as well.
Phew, life and cuture are so different compared to my place. I life in Berlin, capitol of Germany and biggest City around. But most of our train and underground Stations are unpopulated – no Zombies. Yes we have homeless and creckheads too, but by far not to this excess and most of them still behave nicely.
I life with two Kids in one of the “bad” areas of the city but I can walk the street at night. The night shop was never robbed and especially not with weapons. We have strict rules for possession here and your chances to die from gun fire is like winning the lottery. We pay a lot of taxes for safety, social security and health care. But I like the calm every day life.
Even my commute is part of my quality time every day. I chose to take the bike for half of the way and the underground for the second part. So I have sports and regular reading. And I commute only 8 miles, one way.
I don’t want to imagine to life like you, but you don’t want to imagine my gross – net difference 😂
Hey Silke, an 8 mile commute sounds fantastic. It’s too bad our public transportation system infrastructure out here isn’t as up to date with the rest of the world. That would make things a lot easier for the congestion out here. The problem is everything is so spread out, it would have to be a vast system to connect everyone. They are still fighting against high speed rail in California. Berlin sounds cool. It’s definitely on my list to visit one day.
I hope I didn’t give too wrong of an impression of SF. You should still come visit SF and California one day, it’s worth seeing, very beautiful landscape and great food. It’s not a war zone or anything. For the most part the SF street people won’t rob you, they will try to come up and talk to you, but if you ignore them they will mind their business. In the well off neighborhoods the police keep the streets pretty clean. It has affected the city’s pocket books, I know the Moscone Convention center has had annual high profile events cancelled and moved to Vegas because attendees are shocked by the homeless who live around the convention center. I remember being shocked the first time I went to Paris…we stood in a cheaper hostel, but the neighborhood was very rough and we ate more North African food than French on that visit. Delicious stuff and we had a good time, I just had a different Paris imagined.
In construction, I spend a lot of time in the street managing the logistics and walking back and forth, so I’m around that street crap more than the average office worker, and maybe even resident. It’s sad what’s happened. I think because it’s tolerated and the homeless services are highly funded, a lot of people using drugs move here and now their population is just too much.
Noel, I honestly almost stopped reading after you mentioned the 3 hour commute. Only because it gave me flashbacks. Haha! I went to SF once on a business trip and drove myself around. It was a mistake I regret to this day. The anxiety! lol. I remember like it was yesterday. I would definitely opt for a shorter commute every time, whatever that meant.
Luckily I’ve worked remotely for many years now so I am able to save lots on gas. But folks have to do what they have to do and if a commute was the option that was presented to me to make things happen, I’d do it. In my former role I spent most of my days on airplanes. It wasn’t the life I wanted but it was a means to an end and I did it until I didn’t have to do it anymore.
Ha ha, yes SF can be intimidating to drive around. Especially with all of the honking, one way streets, hills, and angry bus drivers behind the wheel. It’s easier these days though, with smart phone navigation and likelihood you won’t be driving a stick.
So cool you can work remotely. I think if I could work like that, my burn for FIRE would be less intense, because we wouldn’t be so location dependent. Looks like you can really appreciate what you have, because you’ve traveled a lot for work and see the other side. Being grateful goes a long way in life, but I can tell you know that already by reading your stuff.
Thanks for stopping by.