FIRE and Frost

FIRE and Frost

I hung out with a few friends recently for a kid’s birthday party. My friend has a nice set up in his backyard, perfect for hanging out. Fire pit. TV mounted on the wall. Nice furniture. Well built deck. The weather has turned colder in recent days out here in the Bay Area and we had the fire pit going. A few cold drinks. Hot pozole soup. Conversation turned to how cheap travel trailers and RV’s have become. It looks like a good percentage of those who bought their travel trailers during the pandemic en masse, are now starting to sell their toys. The local market is now flooded with an excess supply of trailers and RV’s. One person at the gathering bought their trailer two years back for around $30k new. Now there are some of the exact same model, used of course, going for $12k.

Most of the people sitting down talking with us owned trailers. Some of them are pretty nice. The convenience of having a trailer seems amazing. Having everything already stocked up and ready to go has gotten me daydreaming from time to time as I load and unload my truck on my tent camping trips. They spoke about joining a “camping club” where you pay an entry fee of a few thousand dollars to a specific campground, then hundreds of dollars a month to have access to campgrounds situated nearby on the delta. These campgrounds are little more than parking lots right off the highway. No trees. Flat landscapes. Levees abound. There’s pools for swimming. More like a resort than a campground.

That sort of camping doesn’t captivate me personally. I like to go out as deep as I can in nature, away from people and with limited luxuries.

My opinion is not the correct view, it’s only my opinion. But for them, they very much enjoyed this camping style. They liked to “get away” and be outdoors with family and enjoyed the convenience of hooking up to electricity and wifi. Watching ballgames and playing video games while “camping” does look like a good time. A different kind of camping fun, but legit fun nonetheless. Drinks, family, eating grilled food, water nearby to swim in.

They showed me photos of some of their set ups and surprisingly I felt a sense of jealousy.

Why couldn’t I have those kind of cool set ups too? Cool string lights. Gas grills. The area in front of their trailers all decorated out with fake grass and lounge chairs.

They all owned big trucks to pull their trailers. That too sent me a vibe that they were somehow more successful than me because they could afford these things. I don’t own a truck. Hell, I only own one car at the moment. They all sat around talking about what they were going to buy, where they were going to camp, it left me feeling a bit left out as well.

Most of them used to tent camp right along with me. But now it feels as though age and money have played a role in changing that mindset. Most of the guys are now in their forties and late thirties. Convenience takes precedence. I get it. The last time I was camping I had a hell of a time loading up my vehicle.

Since that day at my friends house I’ve been thinking a lot about why I suddenly had the urge to want what they wanted. Maybe wanting to fit in. Maybe wanting to humbly show how successful I am by the material things I own.

Ah, yes. Success. Owning expensive things does convey success. No matter if the thing is owned outright or with borrowed high interest money. I won’t delve too much into the money aspect of this, because it’s such a cliche subject.

But success. That seemed to be what it was. What exactly is success? It can mean whatever you want it to mean. Success is defined as the accomplishment of an aim or purpose. The thing is we all have different aims or goals, so success varies from person to person, culture to culture.

I just have different goals. A different vision for my future than my friends and most of American society. And that’s kinda sad for me to think about. Sad because I don’t talk much about my goals to my friends. It’s as if I have some secret plan that I’m keeping to myself. Every time talk comes up about the future I keep kinda quiet. To think that I plan on drastically changing up my lifestyle in the next two years without their knowledge of my true plans, feels shady in a way.

FIRE is by its nature, a sort of a secret club, for me it is anyway. Yet the edges of this lifestyle do bleed out into the view of others. The questioning looks when I pinch pennies. The odd comment that I can afford “xyz” so why am I worried about the price? The sitting quietly when everyone else is talking about the bigger and better thing they will buy next.

I’ve brought up my plans to retire early to a few select friends, and they’ve sort of laughed it off to me maybe having some crazy pipe dream. The subject doesn’t last too long because I don’t push it unless they have legit questions. They’ve asked how I’ll afford it and I tell them stocks, then the conversation sort of falls off a cliff there.

To think that my path is slowly starting to diverge from the path of my friends does make me ask if I don’t truly want to somehow tame my wander lust and just accept that what I have now as a victory. I would lie to you dear readers if I didn’t say it’s tempting at times to think, that if I wanted, I could just stay in my house, enjoy my pre-inflation 2.8% mortgage rate, stop hardcore investing, and accept that I don’t need to be constantly wanting more than I have. I get the feeling I’m playing with house money yet I’m still putting all the chips on the table. Gaming for the next win in life. The next big exciting thing. Why not take my winnings and leave before I blow it? Why this pursuit for something out of the ordinary, even from a FIRE standpoint?

I feel as though I’ve hit some crossroad in my life. I’m standing right now between two roads. Not just for what kind of life I will have, but for the kind of life my kids will have, and their kids will have. I’m a product of my grandparent’s decisions, if they’d never crossed the border I’d be living somewhere in Mexico right now.

I feel that weight. That weight of my yet to be born descendants on my shoulders.

Robert Frost does a better job of explaining it. So I’ll pass it over to him for a few lines:

The Road Not Taken
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;


Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,


And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.


I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

The easy interpretation of this poem is that the less traveled road leads to better things. But I get a sense of regret in the poem. A warning maybe?

I ask myself where this want for adventure comes from. This want is why I joined the Navy during wartime. Why I quit work twice to travel around the world. It’s why I still try to travel off the worn path when camping.

I blame reading.

I blame Patrick O’Brian, Joseph Conrad, Hemingway, and Wilbur Smith. Tolkien and Le Guin aren’t innocent either.

I blame my love of history.

Reading about those who’ve traveled. Those who’ve written about exotic far off places, imagined or real, were like seeds planted in my mind at an early age, back when I thought anything was possible. Even now, at the age of forty, far away still calls to me. The knowledge that our lifespan is but a twitch of the eye compared to the long history of humanity fuels me. I still read about old empires that have lived and died. These dead empires, some of the most powerful nation states in the world in their respective times, lasted hundreds, even thousands of years. Waging wars. Improving science. Creating fantastic art. Pushing boundaries in all directions. And yet most of us today have forgotten their existence. The individual people who’ve lived and breathed in these past times are even further forgotten.

Reading history gives me the perspective of what a life is in the grand scheme of things. Centuries are casually thrown around in history books without acknowledgement that generations of everyday regular people like you and me, actually lived their lives in these periods. Surely these forgotten people, our ancestors, must have loved the same way we do. They must have had dreams and wants. They must have loved their children and feared death. Enjoyed good food and music. A peaceful night’s sleep. Wanted for security and a warm future. They must have wondered if history would remember them, if not, certainly their nation and country would be remembered.

My life will be forgotten like theirs. Yours too. Dust motes between the chapters of new history books. Our lives will be relegated to stereotypes and brief paragraphs of life at the turn of the 21st century. We will live between world events like the War on Terror, the Covid-19 pandemic, the end of the Cold War, and whatever major events will occur in the coming decades.

This knowledge somehow fuels my lust for wanting to see and do something different. Something out of the ordinary. An outlier, even if I’m the only one who will ever know it, in the generic label I’ll be given by historians who will specialize in this time period in history.

When I see a shiny new travel trailer passing by me on the freeway, being pulled by a nice big truck, with a happy family inside; I see a mirror shining back at me. I see a narrowing of choices. But worst of all, I see myself truly enjoying a travel trailer and everything that owning one entails. A steadiness. I see a good life staying in my house for the rest of my life, medical insurance covered by my union, life long childhood friends for my kids, a steady climb up the ranks in my career. I see a joy in never leaving the comfortable life I’ve built around me in the expensive Bay Area.

Sitting there at my friends house while kids were running around, the fire pit with its flames wagging about, laughs and jokes just as warm as the fire before us, cold beer stinging my fingers between sips, my wife whispered to me, “You won’t miss this if we leave it all and go traveling?”

I shook my head no and crossed my arms.

But I wasn’t so sure.

I would miss socializing with my friends. I would miss this life. I’m attached to what I have right now, whether I admit it or not. Some cultures say attachment is the root of all suffering. To grasp onto something means you have less control.

Still, it makes me wonder if this audacious goal of mine was influenced a bit too much by the extreme lack of everything during the pandemic. This question made me take another look at that ‘other road’. The road with the easy looking path, flat, sunny, stretching out as far as I could see for years. Why does that dark and shadowy road with its mysterious turns and thick brush call to me so?

Is a predictable road such a bad thing?

As 2023 draws to an end, I’m standing here where my road diverges into two, and sorry I could not travel both. Yet extremely grateful that I even get a choice.

13 thoughts on “FIRE and Frost

  1. We seem to read all the same books somehow. There’s a scene in one of the O’Brien novels where Sophie is lamenting to Stephen that Jack is wasting his fortune on gambling, slow racehorses, and schemes that promise to turn the dross from lead mines on his estate into silver. She says something like, “I can’t stand to see him stripped of a fortune he earned with such terrible wounds!” Beware the travel trailer, haha. Unless you actually live in the thing, far better financially to camp when you want to camp and stay in a nice hotel when the weather is bad.

    I could be wrong, but based on what you write here and elsewhere I see your fork not as one in which you choose between FIRE and a life of complacent consumerism, but between a breakneck race to FIRE and travel, on the one hand, and a less urgently paced movement towards some less clearly defined path, which might include continued work and a very comfortable life in the Bay Area interspersed with regular family adventures. To be clear, the less clearly defined path–partly because it is less clearly defined–may actually be the path of greater freedom and, ultimately, opportunity. As long as you don’t buy an F350 and a travel trailer.

    1. Yea great scene and perfect analogy to buying a trailer (or any expensive luxury item). I can definitely see it as something used only a few times a year, yet paying dutifully for every month.

      You’re absolutely right. I’m racing forward to travel while the kids are still young, before they get to middle school. For me, I guess I’ve interwoven full time travel and Fire into one singular thing. If I’m not traveling full time, I don’t see the point in racing to FIRE. What a great perspective and quote though!!!

      “the less clearly defined path may be the path of greater freedom” wow!!! I have to say I agree with this bit of wisdom. I hadn’t thought of seeing it like that. Good stuff.

      Thanks for your comment and perspective!

      1. Not an original idea, but a recurrent theme in the Dune novels, more-or-less: “to know the future absolutely is to be trapped by that future; it forecloses other possibilities.” Another relevant line from one of them… something like “The wise man knows that wealth is a tool of freedom, but that the pursuit of wealth is the way to slavery.”

  2. I also just realized you missed the most golden Frost allusion for this blog, from Fire and Ice:

    “Some say the world will end in fire, some say in ice. From what I’ve tasted of desire I hold with those who favor FIRE. “

  3. we had a little travel trailer when i grew up rural in the 1970’s. for me, as a kid, it was pretty fun to go swim in the lake and run around carefree with new friends. as far as the road not taken i look back on opportunities not taken. i gained acceptance into an ivy league university engineering school back in the 80’s but never even visited. i look back and think how insufferable i would have turned out if i just sucked up the 4 years and spent the next 30 strutting around like king of the world. the screwing up and resulting struggle have served me well as has the lack of those things your friends own. i think you get tied into one thing when your resources are not unlimited and that sunk cost can have you dreading the monotony of another season at a tired old campground.

    you said it best with “their way is not better or worse, it’s just their way.” history is a funny thing through literature, isn’t it? i read a bunch of ken follett books who covers this really well but in really long books. the most recent one i read was column of fire set in 1500’s england. a lot of those religious conflicts i had no idea were so brutal.

    1. Yea I always hear nothing but good things from kids who grew up with a trailer around. That’s part of the allure too, seems like good childhood memories.

      Ah I like that. Opportunities not taken can grow on you over the years. I feel that way myself. The older I get the happier I am for my “blue collar” life and where it’s taken me. Certainly not the easy road but damn beautiful looking back on it.

      Historical fiction certainly opens the eyes to things. I’ll have to check out Ken Follet. Another good source of history I don’t mention much is Dan Carlins Hardcore History podcast. Some entertaining stuff. He covers some brutal religious drama that made me happy for the era I’m born in

  4. I’ve been thinking about this post for a few days, and trying to decide if I had any valuable opinion to add. I came up with this, I don’t think you have to choose between two paths-race to FIRE(to enable full time travel ASAP while kids are young) and enjoying what you have now.
    I’m sure you’ve read all of the stuff about how one of our main cognitive biases is that we’re wired to see everything as a choice between two things. This is due to evolution, survival, all that stuff. Frost’s poem is probably one of the most beautiful examples of this tendency of our totally normal way to human things into two choices that will never overlap ever.
    But as you probably know, this is usually false. There’s plenty of overlap, and stuff is mostly a spectrum between a variety of mix and match choices.
    In this case, you probably have more than two choices. Not knowing all the specifics, it would seem that you could probably do both-race to FIRE/travel and enjoy what you have.
    Here are some more choices:
    1. Continue your race to FIRE, then go full time travel for a year or so, and afterwards come back to your awesome lifestyle. Your kids will have memorable experiences, and stability during high school.
    2. Stop your race to FIRE, use some of your investments to fund a mini-retirement of travel with the kids sooner than planned, and come back to your lifestyle and appreciate it. Yes, there would be professional implications for this, but would they really be that bad if you sat down and thought them out realistically?
    3. Slow down on accumulation, enjoy what you have. Pivot to some sort of coast FI, and divert some of your savings to longer travel that you like every year.
    4. Something totally awesome that is none of the above which neither of us have thought of yet.
    5. A new path that only occurs to you after you’ve tried one of the above-Adapt and overcome.
    Just some ideas. You’ve crushed it financially, but more importantly you have the self-awareness to question why you’ve embraced this path as well as ask if it’s still what you want.
    Great writing as always Noel, I look forward to hearing what you end up doing. Whatever it is, I’m sure you’ll continue to figure it out.

    1. So true that we’re wired to see things in such a binary fashion. Sometimes once a goal is set and or an idea planted it’s hard to shake or rest while in the middle of pursuit of that goal. I think in a way, this indecision I feel or questioning of my path, is part of the process for me to make such a big life decision. I’m still humming along to maybe a hybrid of option #1, one of the main reasons we’d rent out the house to have something to fall back on. The attachment I have to the year 2025 is what I need to let go of. There’s a lot of baggage that comes with picking a year to retire early. So much of it is out of my control: the markets, the value of my portfolio, life expenses that deter from what I think I’m going to save.

      All your suggestions are solid. I appreciate the comment most about not looking at things as “a choice between two things”. That’s a great mentality to step back for a moment to get a better fresher perspective. Thanks for reading and commenting!

  5. Good stuff. No advice here, but I feel like I’ve been where you are at about the same, I’m 10 years older than you. I’m sober now over 33 years and in the AA Living Sober Book on pgs 114 to 116 the author talks about how he’s really stressed about changing jobs and his conclusion is that he stays put and does nothing for a year. Goes to work, stops worrying about it. He calls it a paid vacation. He also rephrased the 3rd step “God as I don’t understand Him” and “turn my will and life over to the care of Good.”

    1. Congrats on so many years sober. That in itself says a lot about you. Takes discipline among other things. I see what you’re saying. Worry changes nothing, but ceasing to worry changes everything.

      Thanks for reading and commenting!

      1. Thx, but things were not going well for me back then. We change ourselves for one of two reasons: inspiration or desperation.

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